It Makes Him Pathetic In My Opinion.

This man is going to be the death of me one of these days, I swear

So one of my autistic special interests is finding headcanon singing voices for my favorite characters. One night I was talking with my friend @thatvixenchick about a voice for Chisaki, and ended on Andy's voice! So, I absolutely had to draw Chisaki in the same pose as one of Andy's promo shots for The Shadow Side!!

References: Pose and outfit: Andy Biersack Phoenix tattoo: Baradim Tattoo Dragon tattoo: joe_scartletrose on instagram

It's a shame Nine was mostly ignored by the fandom, but it's understandable considering HR was released during the time MVA was at it's peak of hype and everyone treated it like the 2nd coming of Christ.

Also if you're a movie character isn't like people is going to remember you very much, expect for Rody Soul, while the others like Melissa or the Shimano kids have a little niche of fans but that's it.

But it's funny how years later there was a resurgence in the talks of how the main villain should have been and Nine got a lot more of appreciation recently, cause compared to Shigaraki and AFO his characterization feels way more solid despite he having much less content.

Also people generally accepts Nine showed to be a better fighter and more skilled user of the properties of AFO (the quirk). To add to the irony.

You know? It's kinda of funny how LOV fans treat the whole "I want to be a hero for villains" of Shigaraki as something groundbreaking, when the same concept was already introduced in the series (and was done better) with Nine.

Unlike Shigaraki, Nine literally meet his team members when he saved their lives. In Chimera's case it was when a bunch of racists were about to execute him just for being a mutant.

Nine also was a hero for them in a more thematic level, as he not only save their lives but actually give his team mates a reason for live and fight. He offered them the chance to fight for create a better world. For me it's quite remarkable how Nine despite being a homeless and chronically ill person, go for save people he view as equally oppressed by the world.

He was selfless enough to sacrifice his own health using his quirk to save Chimera despite it was destroying his body, and without expecting nothing in exchange for share a dream Nine a hand to people at their lowest point.

That's much more of an "All Might for the villains" or whatever Horikoshi tried to make Shigaraki in the final moments. Or hell Nine even acts better as a foil to Deku in the sense both are selfless individuals who fight despite their bodies are crumbling, just for the save of the persons who are important to them.

How ironic is that Nine, the original movie villain that was supposed to be just a prototype for the "final villain" of MHA, ended executing the same themes way better than Shigaraki.

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A main reason as to why people treat shigaraki's I want to be a hero for the villains ideology better than nine's is simply because I assume a lot of people forgot the plot of the 2nd movie or haven't read the one shot manga chapter mha leauge of villains undercover. All of this is a shame because I heavily agree that nine's version of I want to be a hero and hope for the villains is executed and built up 10000x times better than shigarakis and nine had a fraction of the screentime that shigaraki got which is saying a lot.

Actually rewatching the film and rereading the manga one-shot has showed me that nine and shigarakis arcs are pretty similar with nine's having a better execution and shigaraki having more wasted potential.

The movie sets it clear that nine and shigaraki are supposed to be foils for one another so it makes sense that they would share parallels. However, you would expect that by the time nine is defeated that shigaraki would naraatively prove to us that he is ultimately the better character but in truth he doesn't and nine's downfall by shigaraki ends up being quite disappointing to me.

Another problem within the narrative is also the lack of interactions that nine and shigaraki have. I think that nine is essential to helping shigaraki and start to infulence him to realise that he is just a puppet and should develop a goal outside of just destruction. If shigarakis goal stays as destruction then the destruction of what? Everything? And how would that benefit anyone including him?

Nine like you said meets his teammates and saves them. He sees his teammates suffer like him and chooses to help them and they choose to help him. There is a clear relationship being developed and all the characters come together for the same goal, with similar backgrounds and varying styles yet they work.

When nines team see him in distress they run to help him and vice versa. The team has trust and overall everything that a lot of the leauges dynamics and development lacks.

Nine seeks destruction but his path is clear. He seeks to liberate and let nature flow its course with the strong overtaking the weak and finally being leaders instead of feared and abused because they don't fit into the small little box that is the mha's status quo. Nine plans to get stronger while being fully conscious and knowing the consequences. He makes a logical and heroic decision where we see him realise that he is trading his own autonomy and agency in becoming a lab rat all in exchange for power and a slim chance at achieving his goal.

This is all contrasted with shigaraki and his actions. We don't see his goal of destruction develop into a much more consistent and precise idea like destroying the giver and status quo. We don't see shigaraki fully conscious to come to the conclusion that yes the doctor is evil but he needs power. We lack everything from shigaraki and the information of chapter 419 just makes his character worse as shigaraki was a lab rat through and through.

Horikoshi tries to make shigaraki the better character but nine outclassed him in every way possible from the traumatic beginnings, to the developed flawed goal and to the final bitter end where we see nine crumble due to various factors 1)shigarakis decay and 2) his illness whereas shigaraki dies due to afo still being a lab rat that fulfills his purpose.

All of this reminds me of the ask that said mha's manga ending is a sloppy edited 2nd movie ending (except I was only looking at it from a hero perspective but it even applies to the villains)

Nine deserved better!

Giulio has to get his own souvenir from Japan.

He's going to eat that cake fr 🥦

Hey I have a question. I never saw the movie nor I want to see it +Nine sounds cool as fuck but....bk is in the movie) my question here is......why shig killed Nine?

When that scene was reblogged on Twitter I had the impression it was smth like "nine was using his name and shig wasn't pleased" ...can't be that bc this makes sense. Too much sense.

So did shig just kill the guy bc yes?

Maybe afo or the Dr evil asked shig to do so... which is plausible but damn...what waste. And it cements once again shig as a npc.

I'll try to explain this the best I can, because tbh nothing about this situation makes sense to me even today. And some context of the movie as well.

The movie starts with a scene of the LOV transporting Nine while he was still on a medical capsule inside a truck. There's a reference to this situation in the manga when the doctor request Shigaraki to deliver "something" for him.

But here's a thing: neither the movie or the prequel chapter Horikoshi made explain where Nine was being delivered or what the doctor intended to do with him in case he arrived to destiny. It feel that missing context is important.

In any case, the heroes attack the truck trying to arrest the league. The truck is destroyed in the battle and this allows Nine to escape and go back with his team.

Then we got a couple of scenes were Shigaraki seem to be tracking Nine activities, also using Hawks to do the research job for them (it's worth mentioning the events of the movie are supposed to happen at some point after MVA).

And after all this... nothing really, the movie drops this subplot and Shigaraki only appears again in the end when he comes out of literally nowhere to kill Nine. Allow me to ask how they even know his exact location? The black goo teleportation quirk doesn't even work like that btw.

Just like you my first assumption was Garaki ordered him to do so, maybe because after the spectacle Nine did in the island the doctor decided to eliminate him for security reasons. But we never got any indication of this being the case, in fact there's a scene when Garaki explicitly tells Shigaraki to not touch "it" (Nine).

Things became more confusing because in MVA when Shigaraki gives Garaki one of his edgy speeches about destroying everything he hates, there's a small cameo of Nine among the things crusty boy hates.

On a side note: this is technically Nine's first ever appearance, even before the movie itself was released. A sort of foreshadow for what it coming.

But going back to the point: why Shigaraki hates Nine so much in the first place? We never got a clear reason for any of this, isn't like they ever interacted, the only time before the movie they have some kind of contact was the prequel chapter focused on Nine, and that was only Shigaraki looking at Nine through a window.

Also the final scene when crusty boy kills Nine for some reason makes it sounds the situation is very personal? Like if Shigaraki hold some grudge against Nine for some reason.

And the line "I agree, there only can be one king" doesn't make any sense because isn't like Shigaraki knew about Nine's ideology and his desire of rule the world. The writers makes it seem to be like they both interacted and had a long term rivalry for some reason, but that never happened.

Oh and it's extra hilarious how Shigaraki killing Nine for no reason directly contradicts this other little scene:

If crusty a**hole always intended to be "a hero for villains" (as the story seem to pretend) what about Nine then? Idk but for me killing a defendless man while he was crawling on the ground doesn't seem too heroic.

Let's not forget Nine was a real hero for villains without presume about it. He saved the life of Chimera, Slice and Mummy in a way Shigaraki wish to be able to do with the lov.

Honestly is funny to think all this one directional hate Shigaraki feels for Nine could be just crusty boy being jaleous, which won't be surprise considering Nine is superior to him in everyway possible.

But well, thinking about this on a perspective outside the story itself an explanation of why Nine was killed maybe is because Horikoshi just needed a reason to get rid of him, as his presence might be problematic for the course of the main story. I mean it would be a bit suspicious to have another AFO possible vessel who happens to be better than Shigaraki, and Nine is the only movie main villain to be permanently killed on screen, while all the others like Wolfram and Flect survived.

Anyway, all this festival of bs let a bitter taste in my mouth.

Needless to say, such a good villain like Nine surely deserved way better than he got.

Oh dear, that atrocious theory was one of the worst parts of living the final arc in real time. I can't actually believe how many people supported that silly idea and were convinced Eri was going to rewind not only Shigaraki but the whole LOV.

The whole "Eri rewind villains" or "Shigaraki unlocks the Overhaul side of Decay" are shitpost quality ideas that people defended to death during a really bad period.

Thank god Horikoshi didn't do anything remotely close to that in the end.

Hi, I saw some rewriting idea about Nine saving Shig and yeah it's cool. I also not a fan of the whole "Izu wants to save Baby Tenko" HE NEVER EVEN MEET TENKO OR SAW HIM AS A BABY.

So I want the whole Izu saves Shig still but their relationship would have to be work...and comes an idea.

What if Shig wanted Izu to join his side? He saw how Izu is mistreated by everyone and he wants to save Izu. For once, Shig wants to reach for someone.

Nine is in this equation and we can say ...he wants shig to not be used by afo.

How about that?

An au where Shig wants to make Izu join his side. Shig is making an effort for one hero and later said hero retribute the action.

That could shake Nine's beliefs...or not?

I actually want character development for Nine in the sense he realizes most of his beliefs are not entirely what he actually wants, but more the way being born in extreme conditions molded him to think only the power and strenght matter in a cruel world where people aren't treated equally.

After all, like I said in other of my post I think Nine internally has an unconscious desire to protect the weaks using the strength he possess. And his supposed distaste for weak people is more like a defense mechanism created due experience a hard life marked by the way society puts him down despite his rightfully called divine powers.

Because when you think about it, how did he even knew his friends are all that powerful before know them? He just saw them in such low life conditions and was like "I need to save them".

In my rewrite version of the story Nine does indeed have the heart of a hero, but due his life experiences he knows more drastic actions need to be made in order to improve something. He would be like a middle point between Deku who is pro status quo without realize, and Shigaraki who also shares a similar view but don't view ahead of destroy.

Speaking of which I guess the dynamic of Shigaraki trying to be a hero on his own way for Deku would result of him being scared at first. Because let's admit it, even if Shigaraki has good intentions for Midoriya I think his methods would be far to extreme to Deku accepting his offer, at least at first.

And that's where Nine would act a as a middle point between them.

I talked a lot of why I think Deku and Nine are perfect foils for each other, but his rivalry could find a neutral spot when both of them try to save Shigaraki from the influence of AFO.

Except in this case Nine would be the one to call out Deku for having a very surface level desire of save Shigaraki, a person Midoriya never knew or understand. Deku just want to be a hero because he had a preconceived idea of what is good for criminals, but never look the big picture or care about what happen to them after being arrested (like he does in canon duh).

Nine desire to save Shigaraki in this version of the story (following my previous post) would came from the fact he found Tenko as a child after the Shimura house incident, and they grow to together since they were childs, practically rising him as his little brother. So he knew Tenko better than any other person and also knows how bad AFO influence can be.

Oh I forgot to mention but in this version we skip the body snatching plot point for Shigaraki, as I have other ideas in mind for what AFO would do in this version on the part of getting a perfect vessel.

No thoughts, just Steampunk Shindo looking awesome and handsome.

This aesthetic fits so well with him.

Also in the popularity poll art it seems like he also was using eyeliner and wearing piercings, something not present in later illustrations of him.

They should have keep those details, they look really cool

Feel free to use any of my ideas for your AU if you want! And adapt them to your style, as you probably would put a better use than me.

That includes the names for Cider.

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I already love your own ideas for develop their relationship since their meet. Their teamwork and the way the gain mutual respect.

And the whole concept of Cider/Mizunami having a "Oh no, he's hot" moment is pure gold.

Just imagine if his mask breaks and he takes the parts off showing his face cover in dirt, sweat and a bit of blood after a that fight which he wins. All this in front of of Izumi who will be dying inside by the view of so much testosterone lol.

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Geten being illiterate might be actually canon, as Horikoshi explained he never go to a school and rather trained his quirk all his life. And that's kinda sad if you think about it.

He really is the perfect child soldier, coming from a family like the Himuras who are elitist jerks obssesed with status and power (and they even practice inbreeding between their clans) capable of sell their members like objects no matter the gender as both him and Rei were sold very young for different porpuse. And Geten was sold to a quirk elitist maniac who probably brainwashed him into serve to the ideology of a guy from 300 years ago, and Re-Destro is okay with Geten not having any kind of education apparently.

Yeah that's a rough life for sure...

But also a gold mine for interactions!

Especially between him and his biological family.

In my AU all the Todoroki kids, Geten and Cider are cousins by the Himura side, at some point all them should be reunited in one way or another. Think about that sweet drama...

The parallels you made between Mizunami and Geten are brilliant. Hope it can develop into a good dynamic in which both can lear from each other rather than just being enemies.

The whole cinderIzu is great and I welcome with open arms. For my au, I have an idea for them meet.

Again, BK is a footnote in her life and Izumi is not dedicating all her time and energy in thinking of him. (She hears how his quirk remains the same, no quirk awakening bs, how bk's attitude got worse and how Aizawa is sure BK is the future)

Izumi hears about the mpa here and there and ...is not impressed. She needs money, her group can't work by luck...they need ration and more, and Izumi is not happy ReDestro has "schools" for kids to learn their quirks...its just a camp where the kid learns how to use their quirk AND NOTHING ELSE (Geten my be alliterate here)

Stealing from Redestro is not something she can pull off on her own. She needs help to do this heist.

(the quirk schools aren't illegal, per se, but it rubs Izumi in the wrong way. She is right)

Enters Cinder. He shows up with his helmet, all gear up and...well, he too needs money and Mr. Youtsubashi is loaded and if he wants to make quirk schools, fine...let's rob the fucker.

Izumi gawks as Cinder removes his helmet. He is handsome and cute...she wasn't expecting this.

Lol

(I love a good mask reveal!)

I also live for the moments when a character takes of their mask and reveals to be hot, and Cider isn't the exception. I mean can you blame Midoriya for what him?

Note: Izu probably loves in particular the little scar Cider got in his eyebrown, he/her found that detail to be especially sexy.

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Is funny you mention the whole plot of Cider helping Izu to steal stuff from Re-Destro company, as I also have this idea of him making an operation to steal from a werehouse full of valuable tech and support items that Detnerant (I think that's the company name) sells into the black market.

They would have success stealing a lot of merch they later sell to get money, but also Cider found a particularly expensive prototype of a high tech glider he decides to keep for himself and use to compliment his surfing style. As Mizunami is really into surfing in my AU, like he seems to be in canon.

Oh I forgot to mention before but the vigilante name Cider/Mizunami will use for my AU will be "Splashdown". Be free to use it if you like the name.

And since you mentioned Geten here, do you think he will have some role in the story? As I mentioned before I love the idea of Cider being a Himura, but also he probably was rejected by his clan because his quirk is water instead of ice and the Himuras seems to be the kind of elitist jerks to would dishonor a child for born with a "imperfect" quirk.

Which would create a lot of tension between Cider and Geten, especially is they reconogice each other. Geten hating Cider for being "a failed Himura" and Cider will hate Geten because he's just a "an attack dog" for Re-Destro.

Have you ever been too attached to a nameless character which signature color is blue and they appear in like 1-2 episodes of their respective series?

It happened to me twice...

Cider House leader and the demon slayer who was partner of Rengoku during the prequel to mugen train.

Pretty blue eyes and cool outfit with matching blue tones. Plus if blue haori slayer uses water breathing then both characters are themed around water, isn't that amazing?

I shouldn't like nameless characters with so little content and screen time but I can't help myself either.

Your ask really inspired me to think on a different au. A parallel and relationship between Izu (boy or girl. I tend go with girl bc I love Fem Izu) and Toya.

Let me explain the idea.

Toya IS from a big rich family, has money and fame. Lots of fame. Ofc his dream to be a hero stems in being daddy's good boy/throphy and nothing else. He is a kid and is selfish.

His father is the #2 of all Japan and that IS a big deal. Endy is not happy bc he wants the #1 even if he has all the perks AM has (or more as AM doesn't have a family)

Then enters Izu. He is the son/daughter (will go as daughter) of the disgraced hero Inko. Maybe Inko committed a mistake and let a big villain escape or the hero work wasn't kind to her....either way, she retired earlier and has Izuchan. Izuchan wants to be a hero to clean her mother's name.

People never forget Inko's mistake. Not for a moment...and that took a toll on her. Izuchan wants to be a hero and fix it...so her mother can be in peace. Its selfless.

And well comes the clashing.

Toya has fame and money and while he can play the game...he also is tired if this life. His father wasn't pleased with Toya. Sure, thanks to gadgets he can use his fire...but Endy wants more....and thus Borns Shoto and now Shoto is Endy's pet project.

Toya gets disillusioned by the hero industry.

Then he sees Izuchan who...is genuine in her passion.

People wouldn't care for a nobody...but Toya does.

A genuine hero is what he was searching for.

On her end, Izumi got the attention of one of the most richest and famous heroes of all Japan. What she will do? Can she still be a hero?

(she has a quirk here, maybe a low level telekinesis. Yes. I'm giving her a quirk bc it makes sense...I don't think quirkless should be heroes at the same breath I do see how quirks don't make you invencible)

Its a contrast of ideas.

Izu wants to clean her mother's name

Toya wants to stain his father's name.

FUCK THIS IS MUCH BETTER. I love my mind sometimes.

(this does give me a vibe of Gojohime and I do like the ship)

In AUs where Midoriya has a quirk since born I like it be an average/decent form of pyrokinesis like he could probably have based on the quirks of his parents.

I guess Midoriya in this case would he on pair with Burnin in terms of overall performance, with the only difference he would spit the flames from the mouth first and being able to bend them once they're outside. It looks cool in my head at least.

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Since you're playing with the Gojo syndrome dynamic, how Shoto should be in this AU aside of being the dreamed offspring of Enji?

Because I'm kinda tired of the same vanilla personality for Shoto where he's just a clueless dummy because of no social interactions covered by an emo mask.

Rather than that I like to imagine a version of Shoto in which he got a god complex like Gojo, because technically his quirk is divine and all the power and fame carried by Endeavor's name (and also being part of the Himura clan) makes Shoto develop this mentallity of being the superior to everyone else. Perhaps at some point he would came to the conclusion he's way superior to his dad and doesn't need take advices from "just the number 2" anymore.

And to me it's fun to think on Shoto as the villain for Dabi and Midoriya, but rather than be a edgelord like canon Dabi, villain Shoto probably would copy the style and mannerisms of A.M as a way to mock both Enji and Midoriya because of their admiration/jaleosity for the guy.

what if nine wore glasses???

and yes besides my beloved jervis, there is my beloved nine UuU i have so many beloveds...it will take too long to name them all

He is so pretty and his story is kinda sad...poor nine my baby everyone should respect nine...NOW!

i think the glasses kinda suits him